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		<title>By: Damon Wenkrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon Wenkrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to begin by thanking you for the useful information you are supplying! I will definitly add you URL to my bookmarks for future reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  would  like  to  begin  by  thanking  you  for  the  useful  information  you  are  supplying!  I  will  definitly  add  you  URL  to  my  bookmarks  for  future  reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Crabby Magnolia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crabby Magnolia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic - this is the Year of the Tiger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic  &#8211;  this  is  the  Year  of  the  Tiger.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacq - You must not have read the article that this post linked to and is based off of.  I would advise that you do because it is the opposite of what you are accusing the people on this blog of doing, namely, gossiping.

Here&#039;s an excerpt from the article that represents the spirit in which it was written...

&quot;let us make sure we do not join the hunt. A Christian’s response to this story should be distinctly different. We should not be entertained by the news. We should not have a morbid interest in all the details. We should be saddened and sobered. We should pray for this man and even more for his wife.

And we can be sure that in the coming days we will be in conversations with friends and family where this topic will emerge. And when it does, we can avoid simply listening to the latest details and speculations, and avoid speaking self-righteously, but instead we can humbly draw attention to the grace of God in the gospel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacq  &#8211;  You  must  not  have  read  the  article  that  this  post  linked  to  and  is  based  off  of.    I  would  advise  that  you  do  because  it  is  the  opposite  of  what  you  are  accusing  the  people  on  this  blog  of  doing,  namely,  gossiping.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s  an  excerpt  from  the  article  that  represents  the  spirit  in  which  it  was  written&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;let  us  make  sure  we  do  not  join  the  hunt.  A  Christian’s  response  to  this  story  should  be  distinctly  different.  We  should  not  be  entertained  by  the  news.  We  should  not  have  a  morbid  interest  in  all  the  details.  We  should  be  saddened  and  sobered.  We  should  pray  for  this  man  and  even  more  for  his  wife.</p>
<p>And  we  can  be  sure  that  in  the  coming  days  we  will  be  in  conversations  with  friends  and  family  where  this  topic  will  emerge.  And  when  it  does,  we  can  avoid  simply  listening  to  the  latest  details  and  speculations,  and  avoid  speaking  self-righteously,  but  instead  we  can  humbly  draw  attention  to  the  grace  of  God  in  the  gospel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacq</title>
		<link>http://www.crossroadslive.com/2009/12/03/when-the-mighty-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-7462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly enough I know so many practicing and fellowshipping Christian Godly men that cheat.
Us as Christians talking aboutTigar Woods and him being lost and not knowing Christ is gossip.
Perhaps we should turn our thoughts and blogs into prayers, and while doing so, remembering that the brothers that sit next to you on Sunday mornings need that prayer just as much.Just because you know Christ does not mean you do not sin nor cheat. Who is worse and who needs more prayer... the professing Christian that commits sin or the non believing man who does not profess Christ.
I once was married to a beautiful Godly man that professed Christ and taught and was a leader in the church, who, so freely left me for another woman. Then I married a man that was not a believer who treated me far better and acted more like a Godly husband than my ex professing Christian husband.
What is said about Tigar is gossip and media speculation. We need not comment on his life, but the life of the world and the need of prayer for ALL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly  enough  I  know  so  many  practicing  and  fellowshipping  Christian  Godly  men  that  cheat.<br />
Us  as  Christians  talking  aboutTigar  Woods  and  him  being  lost  and  not  knowing  Christ  is  gossip.<br />
Perhaps  we  should  turn  our  thoughts  and  blogs  into  prayers,  and  while  doing  so,  remembering  that  the  brothers  that  sit  next  to  you  on  Sunday  mornings  need  that  prayer  just  as  much.Just  because  you  know  Christ  does  not  mean  you  do  not  sin  nor  cheat.  Who  is  worse  and  who  needs  more  prayer&#8230;  the  professing  Christian  that  commits  sin  or  the  non  believing  man  who  does  not  profess  Christ.<br />
I  once  was  married  to  a  beautiful  Godly  man  that  professed  Christ  and  taught  and  was  a  leader  in  the  church,  who,  so  freely  left  me  for  another  woman.  Then  I  married  a  man  that  was  not  a  believer  who  treated  me  far  better  and  acted  more  like  a  Godly  husband  than  my  ex  professing  Christian  husband.<br />
What  is  said  about  Tigar  is  gossip  and  media  speculation.  We  need  not  comment  on  his  life,  but  the  life  of  the  world  and  the  need  of  prayer  for  ALL.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Shauna.  Absolutely.  We begin with ourselves.

The point of the article, and the reason I&#039;ve linked to it here, is that I believe he does a good job at taking a good look at ourselves. Tiger has reminded us that &quot;sin is lurking&quot;.

This is how the article ends..

&quot;this story should humble and sober us. It should make us ask: Are there any so-called “secret sins” in my life? Is there anything I have done that I hope nobody discovers? Is there anything right now in my life that I should confess to God and the appropriate individuals?

And this should leave us more amazed by grace because there, but for the grace of God, go I.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,  Shauna.    Absolutely.    We  begin  with  ourselves.</p>
<p>The  point  of  the  article,  and  the  reason  I&#8217;ve  linked  to  it  here,  is  that  I  believe  he  does  a  good  job  at  taking  a  good  look  at  ourselves.  Tiger  has  reminded  us  that  &#8220;sin  is  lurking&#8221;.</p>
<p>This  is  how  the  article  ends..</p>
<p>&#8220;this  story  should  humble  and  sober  us.  It  should  make  us  ask:  Are  there  any  so-called  “secret  sins”  in  my  life?  Is  there  anything  I  have  done  that  I  hope  nobody  discovers?  Is  there  anything  right  now  in  my  life  that  I  should  confess  to  God  and  the  appropriate  individuals?</p>
<p>And  this  should  leave  us  more  amazed  by  grace  because  there,  but  for  the  grace  of  God,  go  I.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: shauna</title>
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		<dc:creator>shauna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was convicted of this verse this morning... I wanted to share and hopefully get brotherly advice:

&quot;1 Cor. 5: 9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.  12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. &quot;Expel the wicked man from among you.&quot; &quot;


Can I ask the blogger&#039;s thoughts on this? I know none of us are perfect...so how can we judge? are we supposed to be addressing sin that is committed within our the church without remorse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  was  convicted  of  this  verse  this  morning&#8230;  I  wanted  to  share  and  hopefully  get  brotherly  advice:</p>
<p>&#8220;1  Cor.  5:  9  I  have  written  you  in  my  letter  not  to  associate  with  sexually  immoral  people—  10  not  at  all  meaning  the  people  of  this  world  who  are  immoral,  or  the  greedy  and  swindlers,  or  idolaters.  In  that  case  you  would  have  to  leave  this  world.  11  But  now  I  am  writing  you  that  you  must  not  associate  with  anyone  who  calls  himself  a  brother  but  is  sexually  immoral  or  greedy,  an  idolater  or  a  slanderer,  a  drunkard  or  a  swindler.  With  such  a  man  do  not  even  eat.   12  What  business  is  it  of  mine  to  judge  those  outside  the  church?  Are  you  not  to  judge  those  inside?  13  God  will  judge  those  outside.  &#8220;Expel  the  wicked  man  from  among  you.&#8221;  &#8221;</p>
<p>Can  I  ask  the  blogger&#8217;s  thoughts  on  this?  I  know  none  of  us  are  perfect&#8230;so  how  can  we  judge?  are  we  supposed  to  be  addressing  sin  that  is  committed  within  our  the  church  without  remorse?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank...well said. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank&#8230;well  said.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Frank.. thanks so much for sharing. You know about the field of advertizers, etc., and it opened up a new door for me, to realize how really sad it is for all of them.  The one point you made: &quot;and yet there was not a &quot;Nathan&quot; among them.&quot;  It breaks my heart to think, that out all those men and women, not one of them spoke up to him.  I didn&#039;t think of that in those terms.  But, like my mom used to say, it&#039;s all about MONEY...  sad.  :(
Pray, that we as Christians, we will ALWAYS have a &quot;NATHAN&quot; in our lives.  Thank again.
Blessings..   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey  Frank..  thanks  so  much  for  sharing.  You  know  about  the  field  of  advertizers,  etc.,  and  it  opened  up  a  new  door  for  me,  to  realize  how  really  sad  it  is  for  all  of  them.    The  one  point  you  made:  &#8220;and  yet  there  was  not  a  &#8220;Nathan&#8221;  among  them.&#8221;    It  breaks  my  heart  to  think,  that  out  all  those  men  and  women,  not  one  of  them  spoke  up  to  him.    I  didn&#8217;t  think  of  that  in  those  terms.    But,  like  my  mom  used  to  say,  it&#8217;s  all  about  MONEY&#8230;    sad.    <img src='http://www.crossroadslive.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Pray,  that  we  as  Christians,  we  will  ALWAYS  have  a  &#8220;NATHAN&#8221;  in  our  lives.    Thank  again.<br />
Blessings..      <img src='http://www.crossroadslive.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank Ordaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Ordaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiger in His Own Cage,

 There is a area of concern for me that transcends and includes Tiger Woods. It involves Money, Image and Power and the vehicle to create the golden calf . This can be seen  most directly in sports. 

  Andre Agassi brazenly spoke the mantra of every young athlete trying to cash in on shoe contracts , soft drinks and car endorsements etc....when he spoke for Canon&#039;s Rebel camera...&quot; Image is Everything&quot;. Remember that. Let&#039;s face it..most if not all of us have never met Tiger Woods. He comes addressed to us through Media. Unless you run in his circles, the closest you or I will ever come to meeting him will be at a Charity Event, which will cost you Money or at at Golfing event , which will cost you money.His persona is a manufactured and Ad Agency invention. Tiger was not only gifted as an athlete but as a self promoter. He wanted us to believe he was Jesse Owens.But in actuality was more like Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordon...all likeable athletes who were fallen after their pickadillos found them out.

 Advertizers , Tour Organizers , Fundraisers all had a stake in promoting the &quot;Tiger Woods Brand&quot;. Tiger Woods brought in the Money. He was Money. It was only a matter of time before the cult of personality and the actual person collided. And here we are. I guess it has come out that many reporters knew about his past indiscretions and yet there was not a &quot;Nathan&quot; among them.

 I am not a bit surprised in this latest scandal. Is he not a man? Saved or unsaved... how is he different that you or me other than his gift as an athlete? 

 As  a country we have propped up another man and he is our chief executive in the White House. Its the cult of personality again. In the sixties, reporters so loved Kennedy that they never reported his known infidelities. His image and persona..his Camelot...were more important. Obama is known to smoke. This is true and fact. Have you ever seen a picture of him smoking? Why not. Media is perpetuating image. The Golden Calf.

 I pray for Tiger, but I pray more for those taken in by the Cult of Personality and for those in the MarketPlace that promote the lie to make money. There...I said it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiger  in  His  Own  Cage,</p>
<p>  There  is  a  area  of  concern  for  me  that  transcends  and  includes  Tiger  Woods.  It  involves  Money,  Image  and  Power  and  the  vehicle  to  create  the  golden  calf  .  This  can  be  seen    most  directly  in  sports.  </p>
<p>    Andre  Agassi  brazenly  spoke  the  mantra  of  every  young  athlete  trying  to  cash  in  on  shoe  contracts  ,  soft  drinks  and  car  endorsements  etc&#8230;.when  he  spoke  for  Canon&#8217;s  Rebel  camera&#8230;&#8221;  Image  is  Everything&#8221;.  Remember  that.  Let&#8217;s  face  it..most  if  not  all  of  us  have  never  met  Tiger  Woods.  He  comes  addressed  to  us  through  Media.  Unless  you  run  in  his  circles,  the  closest  you  or  I  will  ever  come  to  meeting  him  will  be  at  a  Charity  Event,  which  will  cost  you  Money  or  at  at  Golfing  event  ,  which  will  cost  you  money.His  persona  is  a  manufactured  and  Ad  Agency  invention.  Tiger  was  not  only  gifted  as  an  athlete  but  as  a  self  promoter.  He  wanted  us  to  believe  he  was  Jesse  Owens.But  in  actuality  was  more  like  Magic  Johnson,  Kobe  Bryant  and  Michael  Jordon&#8230;all  likeable  athletes  who  were  fallen  after  their  pickadillos  found  them  out.</p>
<p>  Advertizers  ,  Tour  Organizers  ,  Fundraisers  all  had  a  stake  in  promoting  the  &#8220;Tiger  Woods  Brand&#8221;.  Tiger  Woods  brought  in  the  Money.  He  was  Money.  It  was  only  a  matter  of  time  before  the  cult  of  personality  and  the  actual  person  collided.  And  here  we  are.  I  guess  it  has  come  out  that  many  reporters  knew  about  his  past  indiscretions  and  yet  there  was  not  a  &#8220;Nathan&#8221;  among  them.</p>
<p>  I  am  not  a  bit  surprised  in  this  latest  scandal.  Is  he  not  a  man?  Saved  or  unsaved&#8230;  how  is  he  different  that  you  or  me  other  than  his  gift  as  an  athlete?  </p>
<p>  As    a  country  we  have  propped  up  another  man  and  he  is  our  chief  executive  in  the  White  House.  Its  the  cult  of  personality  again.  In  the  sixties,  reporters  so  loved  Kennedy  that  they  never  reported  his  known  infidelities.  His  image  and  persona..his  Camelot&#8230;were  more  important.  Obama  is  known  to  smoke.  This  is  true  and  fact.  Have  you  ever  seen  a  picture  of  him  smoking?  Why  not.  Media  is  perpetuating  image.  The  Golden  Calf.</p>
<p>  I  pray  for  Tiger,  but  I  pray  more  for  those  taken  in  by  the  Cult  of  Personality  and  for  those  in  the  MarketPlace  that  promote  the  lie  to  make  money.  There&#8230;I  said  it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Action. Tiger really was our golden boy wasn&#039;t he. Captain America. Its sad, but not shocking, to find that he was out of control sexually. Thanks for your insightful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good  stuff  Action.  Tiger  really  was  our  golden  boy  wasn&#8217;t  he.  Captain  America.  Its  sad,  but  not  shocking,  to  find  that  he  was  out  of  control  sexually.  Thanks  for  your  insightful  post.</p>
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